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  Honest Questions About Child Abuse

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have two honest questions for everyone here.

  i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

  but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

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  No a strawman doesn't want change. I have been making the statement from the first part of this thread. It is more important to get legislatures to change the laws of the land, that includes any priest-penitent privilege and to raise the age of consent. Just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean that I am a straw man. Just because I know the law is not so cut and dry doesn't mean it either. Just because I don't cow-tow to some of you who feel that Watchtower and/or all religion should be sacked that I am a straw man. If I bring up actual facts doesn't make me false, it is that I think not just on emotion, which is not what the law is, but on logic and facts.
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  Honest Questions About Child Abuse

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have two honest questions for everyone here.

  i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

  but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

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  Yes a moral law is important, but moral law is not a law. So let's take this senario. Let's say that someone in Austria, where the age of consent is 14. So lets say a 25-year-old man has sex with a 14-year-old. According to Austria law that man has not committed a crime. Is that 25 year old disgusting for having sex with a 14-year-old? Of course he is. But has he violated anything that would get him sent to jail? No. So let's say I am the parent of this young girl, and I go and beat the living crap out of the guy, which I would be morally acceptable to do, but legally I could be charged with a crime because I assaulted that man. Now I am not talking about rape, but in the nation of Austria they say that it is possible for a 14 year old to consent to sexual activity. Now lets say that the elders tell everyone that, that man is a criminial because he had sex with a 14-year-old, would that be true, no it wouldn't. Would most people agree that he is a scum bag, yes, but he is not a criminal.
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  Honest Questions About Child Abuse

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have two honest questions for everyone here.

  i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

  but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

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  Did I say if there were no reporting laws? But in some countries, like I explained earlier, where the age of consent is low. If they haven't broken a law what am I supposed to report to the police?
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  Honest Questions About Child Abuse

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have two honest questions for everyone here.

  i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

  but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

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  Data-Dog:

  I did answer your question. I said that I would report immediately. But then I said that if it is not a crime in the land in which one lives. There isn't a lot that the police can do. It is disgusting yes, but in some lands it is not illegal.
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  Honest Questions About Child Abuse

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have two honest questions for everyone here.

  i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

  but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

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  scatheme:

  I am sorry to tell you but atleast in the US, Watchtower does not contain a fiduciary relationship. That is what a number of judges have ruled. I am not saying that it is right. But I go for facts and that is a fact.
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  Is there any recent information about Watchtower owning 50% of Rand Cam Engine Corp & REGI Technologies?

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  2. scandals

  please, recent information is needed about this subject discussed some 12-years ago here on jwn?

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  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/85323/watchtower-society-50-share-holder-military-company?page=1&size=10.

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  The filing on the SEC site shows two things. First that they didn't actually own any stock. And second that even if they did receive actual stock that they didn't have any vote when it came to the decisions made by the company. The person who was the founder retained the right to vote as he saw fit.
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  Honest Questions About Child Abuse

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have two honest questions for everyone here.

  i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

  but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

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  Incognito- Sorry I didn't write my statement properly. I meant outside of Watchtower. I honestly think that the laws need to be changed. I don't agree with the idea that Watchtower should be sued to oblivion but that is my personal opinion. But I do feel that it is better for everyone if we fight to change the laws, I feel that would be more effective.
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  Honest Questions About Child Abuse

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have two honest questions for everyone here.

  i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

  but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

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  Outlaw- I have defended the Watchtower in the past but the more I look into it, the more it doesn't seem reasonable.
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  Honest Questions About Child Abuse

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have two honest questions for everyone here.

  i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

  but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

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  Data-Dog. If I could report it to the police and them actually do something I would. My point is that in those countries no matter what you tell the cops, they can't do anything because no law was broken.
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  Honest Questions About Child Abuse

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have two honest questions for everyone here.

  i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

  but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

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  Incognito- I completely agree with you that is what the law should be. And I wholeheartedly agree with anyone that fights for that law to be made. My points is there are different laws out there depending on states or countries. I feel that we as a people who are determined to protect children need to focus energy on changing the laws of the land in which we live.